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Thanks for all the responses on my research for my family, the BROOKS family, who owned Whitecross Nursery in Walliscote Road. Somebody put me in touch with Brian Austin, who produced some excellent finds for me. He found that William Brook's son( William owned the Nursery until 1943) was an excellent rugby and soccer player, who played for the County. Sydney Edworthy Brooks was born in 1888 and was killed in a car accident in 1943. Any information about him would be great. Thanks,Graham.

A previous post on the Research Forum (‘Mystery of Sarah Cardingbrook’) raised an interesting example of what date and in what year a marriage took place.  Surely the answer should be obvious, you say – the date entered in the Parish Register.  However, the complication is that up until the mid-18^th Century New Year’s Day wasn’t as we now consider it.  Below I try to explain my understanding of it – hopefully I have this correct, but I’m sure someone will comment if not…  

Before 1752 the ‘legal’ New Year began on 25 March.  This means that in parish records 31 December 1749 (for example) is followed by 1 January 1749 (not 1750 – as we would describe it) and the year 1749 continued right up to 24^th March, which was then followed the next day by 25^th March 1750!  The same pattern is true in any year prior to 1752.  Our current New Year’s day of 1 January was finally adopted in that year (1752), when Government ruled that 31 December 1751 should be followed by 1 January 1752.  This means that you have to be extra careful when you look at any records in parish registers covering the January to March period before 1752.  The two different dating systems are often described as ‘Old Style’[OS] or ‘New Style’ [NS] and generally any date you see for the period 1 January to the 24 March in any year prior to 1752 needs to be corrected ‘forward’ by one year to be equivalent to our modern use.

A slight complication is that even before the new ‘legal’ date of New Year was formally changed in 1752 there was a period of years when people started using two calendars – with an increasing recognition of 1 January as the start of the ‘civil’ year.  So, you may see this reflected in Parish Registers, where double dating of the dates between 1 January and 24 March can often be found.  In this form a date like 1 January or 24 March may appear as 1749/50 or 1749-50.  In modern terms, in which we take 1 January as the start of the year, this would mean that we would consider both these dates to be in the year 1750.

Suffice to say there is a further calendar complication – if one is being pedantic – that in September 1752 the legal calendar was shifted again and 11 days dropped to conform to the modern Gregorian calendar rather than the previous Julian calendar.  This means 2 September 1752 was followed by 14 September 1752…..some thought that the Government was robbing them of 11 days of their life!  But it is too complicated (for me at least) to amend a date (as written in a historic document) from (by way of example of George Washington’s birthday) from 11^th February 1731 to 22^nd February 1732…. I do correct for the year in my family tree, but don’t attempt to amend the date. Is that what others do?

Winscombe Parish records show marriage on 21 March 1723 of John HANNAM yeoman  to Sarah CARDINGBROOK. She was 27yrs old and a spinster.

A John HANNAM jnr was buried 26 December 1728.

Abraham THAYER of Loxton married Sarah HANNAM of Winscombe widow in Bedminster St John's on 5 March 1728. (9 months before possible death of 1st husband).There were 3 children of this marriage all baptised in Kewstoke.

I can't find any baptism of a Sarah CARDINGBROOK or variants anywhere, although there was a family in Winscombe of that name at the same time.

Any thoughts?

Brian

Looking for advice on how to preserve certificate,letters etc. I have accumulated a quantity of papers relating to my family history and some are in a fragile state. Would laminating them be approprate, and if so would I be able to subsequently photcopy them?

Thank you for any advice.

Judith Lawday

I was looking at St Andrew's Church, Thorn Coffin, Nr Yeovil and came across a grave for Col. Frederick John Theodore DURIE.

He was a Colonel in the Royal Artillary, born 15/2/1920 and died 05/10/2012 and he appears to have a residence in Mileham, Kings Lynn, Norfolk.

I can find very little information about this man but I was wondering why he was buried in the village of Thorn Coffin.  Does anyone know who he was and what his connection with the village was?

Thank you Clare Hayward (1258)

I have come across the below and wondered why did they marry twice. If Minnie wanted to prove marriage to he parents why not show certificate?!

1) St Peter & St Paul Aston Birmingham parish records page 158 entry 315 shows marriage after banns on 2 March 1889 of

John Robert Godfrey Worthington, 25yrs, bachelor, clerk, of 146 Witton Road, father Robert Noblett Worthington Tutor  to

Minnie Berry, 25yrs, spinster of 146 Witton Road father Charles Berry, gentleman

Both signed in the presence of John Fisher & Agnes Godfray Worthington

2) Parish church of Eccles page 20 entry 40 shows marriage after banns on 30 July 1890 of

John Robert Worthington, 26yrs, bachelor, clerk in holy orders of Handsworth father Robert Noblett Worthington, Gentleman  to

Minnie Berry, 26yrs, spinster, of Eccles father Charles Berry, gentleman.

Both signed in the presence of Charles & Martha Berry

Brian