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CommentsPeggy PEARCE MILLER published by DebbieD - 7 years 2 months 2 days ago. | | I think I've found Peggy on the Queen Mary in 1946! It's on FMP and her entry is as follows:
SHIP: "QUEEN MARY" APPROX. SAILING DATE: 30 MAR 1946
MILLER, Peggy P. 20 58126(PP No.) Br. 22 Hillcrest Knowle, Bristol, Somerset.
Dependent of: S/Sgt. Robert J. Miller, ASN 36130145, US Army.
253 Crest Ave, Ann Arbor, Mich.
Hope this helps you to find out more.
PS. I think these passenger lists must be a recent update on FMP.
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Thank for the interesting update published by - 7 years 2 months 2 days ago. | | thanks so much. I am still wondering what happened to Peggy and Robert? I have looked into War Bride information to see if maybe she was on one of the ships taking brides to the US. But no luck. The name Miller makes it more difficult. I wonder if you have records there of war brides and could locate her. tThanks again. | |
Eliza Cook & William Oaten published by - 7 years 2 months 5 days ago. | | Hello Dave,
Yes, I had thought that maybe she could have been married before, but she was listed as a SPINSTER on the shipping list also on their marriage certificate she was recorded as a SPINSTER.
The 'alias' name would be even more difficult to trace.
I have seen the original hand written immigration list for arrivals in the new colony in 1853, and it only shows Eliza being 31 a spinster and nothing more. I am trying to fin more about Amelia Sutton who was a witness at the marriage in 1854 and was also a passenger aboard the 'Neptune' [same voyage]. I am yet to trace her and to look up the 1841 & 1851 census, the male witness was a character called Thomas Douggan he may have well been Irish, maybe he was one of the crew on the 'Neptune'. I am waiting to get a report back from the Adelaide archives which may reveal something.
I never thought of looking for a criminal record for William. It was mostly petty offences in Australia, drunken & disorderly! From some of the old 'Trove reports' I think Eliza may have been quite a 'feisty' g. grandmother! But that is one idea I will follow up on.
Also following up on a D.N.A. check, which again may or may not reveal something.
Are there still 'Oaten' families in Taunton. Somerset ?
I agree I think William may have been a bit of a rogue but one delightful report was made by him regarding
" The number of carriages drawing up to the next house at all hours of the night keping him awake at night".
He didn't any qualms about reporting to the authorities re the 'brothel' next door!! Oh dear, we can laugh!
plus the report continued that Mrs Eliza Oaten said " and he seemed such a nice gentleman" referring to the owner of the house next door!!
We laugh now, but these old records are priceless and reveal much more than our modern newspapers.
Thanks for the various suggestions to follow up.
Beverly
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Eliza COOK and William OATEN published by daveerasmus - 7 years 2 months 6 days ago. | | Hello again Beverly.
I feel your pain. I, too, have been looking for COOK families with Eliza, Leah and Rebecca in them, but to no avail - at least, not yet and not in or around Pitminster.
A few things occur to me. The first is that COOK was not Eliza's maiden name. I think Pat mentioned this earlier on. As I think she said, the possibility that she was a widow might explain the age difference and/or the apparent disapproval.
Secondly, COOK might not have been her surname at all. If she (they) were fleeing the wrath of family, perhaps she adopted an entirely ficticious name in order to hide her tracks.
Thirdly, although the passenger list for the ship contained very little information about Eliza, it is possible that the Immigration authorities in Australia required, and recorded, more about her before allowing her into the country. Have you tried contacting them?
Finally, is it possible that the family did not approve of William, not because of his age or occupation, but because he was considered to be a bit of a rogue? It might be worth looking at the Somerset Criminal records to see if anyone of that name was ever in trouble with the law. I know that I've got a few in my tree, including one who was regularly brought before the bench for "prophaning the Sabbath". He encouraged his friends to miss Church by enticing them with home-made cider!
Dave
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Eliza Cook & William Oaten published by - 7 years 2 months 7 days ago. | | Hi Dave,
I am still searching - I have been looking at the names of Eliza Oaten's [nee Cook] daughters. Trying to find similar names in the Oaten Family or other 'Cook' families bearing the same given names.
Eliza Jane - [after mother, Eliza Cook & 'Jane' after William's mother]
Leah - not a clue
Rebecca Howe - [ 'Howe' after William's mother's Family name - 'Rebecca' do not know]
Mary Ann - [not a clue]
Rebecca Howe/How Oaten married Samuel A. Giles in South Australia and in turn had children named: Edith Eliza, William, Leah, Rebecca Howe, & Mary Ann. All named seemingly after their Grandfather, Grand mother & Aunts.
Ten siblings in total - several named after the 'Giles' side.
'Eliza' seemed to be a common 'Cook' name as there are so many 'Eliza Cooks''
One of my problems is that OUR Eliza did not see to know just exactly when she was born. In 1854, [marriage cert.] she was 36 making her 12 years older than William, making her birth year 1818. Her tombstone reads - died 19th Apl. 1903 aged 87 [Eliza]. Family Bible reads: "died 1903 in her 88th year". Making Eliza born after 19th April in 1816.
So I have a two year variation with her actual birth date just to add to the mystery!
Beverly
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Eliza COOK and William OATEN published by daveerasmus - 7 years 2 months 8 days ago. | | Hi Beverley.
I eventually found William OATEN by scrolling through all the 1851 Census images for Pitminster on Ancestry. The "O" in the original record was quite ornate and looks a bit like a "B" so the surname was transcribed as "Baton". No wonder I couldn't find it. I had hoped that, once I located him, I might find a COOK family living nearby. But no such luck. I need to put my thinking cap back on.
Dave
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