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Francis PARKER
published by daveerasmus - 8 years 5 months 22 days ago.

This is an update on my last posting. I apologise for the length, but I thought it important to lay out as much detail as possible.

My maternal 2*great grandfather was Francis PARKER. He was baptised in High Ham on 25 October 1827. According to the transcripts on FreeReg, Ancestry, FamilySearch and elsewhere he was the son of Samuel and Ann PARKER. Until very recently I (and others researching this line) had therefore assumed that he was the son of Samuel PARKER and Ann TYLEY (nee COOK) who were married in High Ham on 12 June 1832. But I am beginning to doubt whether this is so and am hoping that members of this Group will have the time and the inclination to review my thought processes and let me have their thoughts, please.

My doubts start with the 1841 Census (and I am grateful to Sue for reminding me about this). At that time Samuel and Ann were living together at Broadacre, High Ham. Francis, who would have been around 13 at the time, was not living with them. The only likely Francis PARKER that I could trace in the 1841 Census was living in nearby Aller. The members of the household were:

Sarah PARKER – 35

Frances (sic) PARKER – 13 (a male)

George PARKER - 8

Henry PARKER – 6

Samuel PARKER – 4.

When I first found this record I could not find a link between the other members of this household and “my” Francis so I put it to one side. Some time has passed since then, more records have become available online and I have recently been reminded of this record, so I have looked at it again. My latest researches have unearthed the following:

Francis PARKER was baptised at High Ham on 25 October 1827. As indicated his parents were recorded as Samuel and Ann.

George PARKER was baptised at Aller on 6 January 1833. According to the online transcripts his parents were George and Sarah.

Henry PARKER was baptised at Aller on 5 April 1835. His parents were Samuel and Sarah.

Samuel PARKER was baptised at Aller on 23 July 1837. His parents were Samuel and Sarah.

On the face of it these 4 boys had 3 sets of parents but were all living with the same adult female. Why? And what was the connection between them? To see if I could answer these questions I tried to trace what happened to each of them subsequently:

I already knew that Francis had moved north to Wick St Lawrence where he married Sarah Luffman BATT on 15 January 1850.

At the time of the 1851 Census George was living in Yatton (in service to the LAVER family.

In 1861 and 1871 Henry was in the Workhouse in High Ham.

By 1871 Samuel was living in Congresbury with his wife Susan and 4 children, 2 of whom had been baptised in Puxton and 2 in Hewish.

So, 3 of the 4 had moved further north in Somerset to within a spitting distance of one another. There was clearly a strong bond between them.

In fact there was another link. I believe that Samuel married Susan PAYNE at St Luke’s, Bedminster on 18 September 1864. According to the marriage record her father was Edward PAYNE. According to the 1871 Census record she was born in Wick St Lawrence. I believe she was baptised at WSL on 5 March 1843 and was a daughter of Edward PAIN and Mary BATT who were married at Wick St Lawrence on 31 March 1831. This is important because Sarah Luffman BATT (the wife of Francis) was the illegitimate daughter of Mary BATT (having been baptised in Congresbury on 13 December 1829). So Francis and Samuel’s wives were step-sisters.

The more I thought about this the more I began to wonder whether Francis, George, Henry and Samuel were all brothers. According to the baptismal records, 3 of them had a father called Samuel and 3 (a different 3) had a mother called Sarah. So, I looked for a marriage of Samuel and Sarah and found:

Samuel PARKER married to Sarah CULLEN at High Ham on 8 November 1825 (witness 1 was another Samuel PARKER).

This led me to the following:

Charles PARKER baptised at High Ham on 10 December 1825 to parents Samuel and Sarah. (I haven’t yet established what happened to him.)

So, putting 2 and 2 together somewhat tentatively I have:

 

Samuel PARKER married Sarah CULLEN at High Ham on 8 November 1825

Charles PARKER baptised at High Ham on 10 December 1825 to parents Samuel and Sarah

Francis PARKER baptised at High Ham on 25 October 1827 to parents Samuel and (Ann?)

George PARKER baptised at Aller on 6 January 1833 to parents (George?) and Sarah

Henry Parker baptised at Aller on 5 April 1835 to parents Samuel and Sarah

Samuel PARKER baptised at Aller on 23 July 1837 to parents Samuel and Sarah.

 

Sarah was probably a widow at the time of the 1841 Census (although I haven’t found a death/burial for her husband, Samuel). She certainly was on 17 July 1842 because that is when she re-married (to James MERRIOTT in Aller. It was presumably the death of her first husband, Samuel PARKER, and her re-marriage which precipitated the departure of the children. By 1851 only the youngest, Samuel, was living with her and her new family. (I don’t know what happened to Charles by the way.)

 

So, my question is: what is the likelihood that the 4 males who were living with Sarah in 1841 and Charles were in fact all brothers and that the mother of Francis and the father of George were incorrectly recorded as Ann and George respectively?


George TYLEY
published by - 8 years 5 months 24 days ago.
Thanks Pat, I have not been able to find a will for William Tyley (Tiley) from my online searches. Hoping that there are some wills from Somerset not online yet. The William Tyley that married Susanna Gibbs is I believe the William Tiley who was burried at St. Mary's Wedmore 28 May 1816. That William and Susanna Tyley had a large family of eleven children. The more I think on it I am starting to believe that the age of death for George Tyley may be incorrect and that George was born in 1777 (not 1770) and that William and Susanna are his parents...now to prove it is another thing. Also, William Tyley (Tiley) had a sister Elizabeth Tyley who married a William Norman and their daughter Elizabeth Norman married William Champeney whose son, Charles Champeny married Sarah Tyley the daughter of George TYLEY and Sarah Andrews, and there was a William Norman (not researched by me yet) who was a witness to George TYLEY and Sarah Andrews marriage. Hope that was not too complicated, just musing out loud. Thanks to everyone who has commented so far, sometimes it takes another set of eyes.

George TYLEY (1770-1835)
published by Pat Hase - 8 years 5 months 24 days ago.

There is still an area in Cheddar called "The Barrows" so it does seem likely that as George died in Cheddar this might be the same location.  I believe that William TYLEY (TILEY) married a Susanna GIBBS in 1773 and as George later had a daughter called Susanna this William might be worth following up. Of course asuming that the age at death is correct George could have been born before his parents' marriage or of course it could have been a late baptism.  Have you found a will for William?


George TYLEY
published by - 8 years 5 months 25 days ago.
Thanks, I'll see if I can track them down.

George TYLEY
published by - 8 years 5 months 25 days ago.
Yes, the burial record indicates he was 65 (died 1835) and on his grave marker it lists his age at death as 65. I understand that it is not definitive, but it is all I have to go on. He is buried with his wife Sarah who died in 1859. A daughter Susanna who died in 1831 is also buried at St. Mary's Wedmore. Both of their burial records also list their ages at death which I believe to be correct.

George TYLEY
published by - 8 years 5 months 25 days ago.
I think it's calculated from the burial record, age 65 in 1835. I also found two George Tileys in Clutton, in 1767 & 1769, and Batheaston in 1779. They're on FreeReg.

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