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At the time of the 1841 Census John DYER was living in Sandford with his children. Louisa WRIDE appears to be part of the same household. John's youngest was Louisa born 1840. According to the GRO her mother's maiden name was RIDE (sic). So, it looks like John and Louisa WRIDE were in a relationship at that time. If you can't find a marriage (I can't either) my guess would be that Louisa became John's common law wife and took his name.

Will try to help - Where were John DYER and Louisa WRIDE in 1841 and 1851?

Thank you so much for your time and thoughts on my problem.  I really do appreciated someone else's opinion - thanks! There is a burial of a John PUDDY in Mark in 1826, aged 63 which, if correct, suggests a birth date of 1763 - this ties in with a christening in Huntspill of a John PUDDY, s/o Charles & Rachel.  (see our transcriptions)

I had considered the John christened in Mark in Dec 1767 until I discovered that he was one of triplets who all died in Jan 1768.  This is where I am the moment but nothing is set in stone. Still some John & Marys to be sorted.

Pat:

FreeReg has the following baptisms for children of John & Mary PUDDY in Mark:

•        Abel 12 September 1785

•       Nancy 16 September 1785 (Note: Father referred to as John jnr)

•        Harry 12 October 1787

•        Richard 30 December 1787

•        Jenny 13 June 1790

•        Hannah 27 January 1797

•        Joseph 24 August 1798

As you probably know, Mary wife of John was buried in Mark in May 1808. This tends to support your view that she was the first wife of the John PUDDY who married Joan MASON later that year.

If John’s first marriage was in 1784 then his likely year of birth was possibly around 18-20 years earlier. A John PUDDY was baptised in Mark on 19 December 1767 to parents John & Jane (abode: Southwick). Bit young maybe? But there is a marriage of a John PUDDY in Burnham on 26 July 1762. Could this be John senior? The bride was Jane WHITING – coincidence?

Can I add another query about John & Mary PUDDYs?  I mentioned the marriage of John PUDDY and Joan MASON nee WHITTING above.  I think that Joan WHITTING was the daughter of a Charles & Ann WHITTING nee PUDDY married in 1755 in Mark.  Is it possible that this Ann PUDDY was the one who was baptised in 1733 in Mark d/o John & Mary PUDDY? If so, is this the same John & Mary whose son Charles married a Rachael HARSE in Huntspill and whose grandson, John (Charles' son) married Joan MASON?!!

Hi Pat, I found Esme in Slaters directory in Denton, now under Tameside near Manchester in 1909 and 1911 and then on the 1911 Census with Annie. I did find who I think was his wife Elizabeth in 1891 Census living with her sister but it said she was a widow, so I’m not really certain but she did have one of the children with her, it’s a real mystery. For now I am going to assume that Esme was William Henry’s brother and keep searching, see what else I can find in the meantime to say otherwise. Even the occupations of being a lithographer are the same for William and Esme. I was hoping the cemetery would answer all my questions but there was no headstone. I will keep plodding on. I’m so glad I joined the site, it’s great just to have someone to share you’re thoughts that understands the issues. My hubby doesn’t like the record searching side but likes to visit the places and look for buildings and gravestones etc. Thanks Sue