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published by Jude on Sat, 03/10/2020 - 15:58

I have hit a brick wall  trying to find when and where my great great grandfather died.

GEORGE PALMER was born 14.9.1807 to THOMAS BERRIMAN PALMER and MARY(nee HAYMANS). GEORGE's baptism is recorded on 7.6.1808 at St. Andrews, Congresbury.

The 1841 census shows GEORGE (born 1807) and ELIZABETH  (Born c 1911) at Cleeve with their son, also GEORGE, born 1828 and baptised 27.4.1828 at Brockley.T hey had a second son, Thomas born 26.7.1829 who died and was buried in Yatton  20.9.1829. 

I can find no record of GEORGE and ELIZABETH in the 1851 or 1861 census, nor can I find any death registration that fits the known dates.

The marriage of GEORGE PALMER snr. and BETSEY HAYMANS took place at St. Thomas the Martyr, Bristol by banns on 27.3.1827.

I can trace GEORGE'S (1807) line back to the 1778 marriage of JOHN PALMER and SARAH BERRIMAN and forward to myself, JUDITH PALMER born 1946. My questions to resolve are:-

What happened to GEORGE(1807) and BETSEY/ELIZABETH(c1811) after 1841?

Where and when did they die?

Any ideas on how to progress with this conundrum would be greatly appreciated.

Judith Lawday

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Submitted by Pat Hase on Sun, 04/10/2020 - 12:43

I see your problem!   Although you are asking about George PALMER born in 1807 - where was his son, George, in 1851?

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Submitted by Pat Hase on Mon, 05/10/2020 - 11:59

I’m not having much joy with your PALMER conundrum! Looking at George PALMER (1828) and his family in later censuses I wondered if there was a relationship with their long-term lodger John RICHARDSON – could he have been George’s step-father?  However, I can find no trace of a marriage between John RICHARDSON and Elizabeth (Betsey) PALMER née HAYMANS.

Like you I have not found burials or remarriages for either George or Elizabeth PALMER.  If either of them had died could the other have moved in with members of their own family?  Do you know the names of their siblings? What happened to their parents?  Could they have been looking after them?

There are no sightings of them in the 1851 entries for either of the two Workhouses which catered for this area, Axbridge or Bedminster.

As the name HAYMAN occurs in two generations - are they connected?

There are other members researching PALMER - see Members' Surname Interests - perhaps one of them can help?

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Submitted by Jude on Wed, 07/10/2020 - 11:19

Thank you Pat, for your suggestions for progress with GEORGE PALMER's missing years. JOHN ROBINSON  has been an unknown so far, so that is another line I intend to pursue. The HAYMANS name occurs in Wick St Lawrence and Congresbury, and as you say appear in several generations of PALMER history, so another line to look at. Thank you for your advice and time.

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Submitted by Graham Payne on Sun, 01/11/2020 - 10:31

In the 1851 census for Wick St Lawrence there is an Elizabeth Palmer aged 48, head, pauper with a lodger Joseph Martin also a pauper. The entry above is for Joseph and Mary Hayman possibly her parents. I am wondering if this is George’s wife Elizabeth Palmer nee Hayman. My only concern is her age the 1841 suggests she was born around 1811. The same Elizabeth also appears in the 1861census aged 62 staying with Elizabeth Gillard and family. This still doesn’t explain what happen to George Palmer 1807.

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Submitted by RosieW on Mon, 05/10/2020 - 19:39

This is a longshot but I know members have a wealth of knowledge! 

Whilst going through one of Graham Payne's excellent church transcripts (Easton in Gordano to be exact)  I could not help noticing that the same people seemed to be witnesses at weddings time and time again.  In fact one gentleman witnessed some 64 weddings in 20 years.  May be Graham Payne has noticed this too when transcribing.  Just wondering if churches 'kept' people to witness weddings - or may be they were the ones who could write their name!!  Just wondered if anyone had observed this before or had any knowledge about these regular witnesses?  

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Submitted by rockerjt9 on Tue, 03/11/2020 - 16:54

Those regular witnesses may have been church wardens and called upon to witness any ceremony booked at their church...

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Submitted by suzannerowley on Fri, 30/10/2020 - 14:57

My grandfather was a Charles Palmer and wife Gladys (Hodder) they lived in Spring Hill Worle, he died in 1954 , just wondering if he could be related, I think prior to marriage lived in Hewish DOB 1.05.1895 - thanks Suzanne

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Submitted by Graham Payne on Sat, 31/10/2020 - 14:16

I believe your grandfather Charles Palmer is connected to George Palmer 1807 through John Palmer/Hester Caple my 5 x great grandparents. Charles Palmer 1895 son of Joseph Palmer/Sarah Jane Beacham son of Charles Palmer/Mary Ann Watts son of Joseph Palmer/Hester Hancock son of John Palmer/Hester Caple. My Palmer pedigree chart  can be found as an attachment to my surname interests.


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Submitted by Jude on Sun, 01/11/2020 - 14:54

Thank you for your interest in GEORGE PALMER. Graham Payne has explained the link between GEORGE and your grandfather CHARLES. You may already know that Charles was 1st cousin to WILLIAM EDWARD PALMER born 1893 in Puxton. WILLIAM'S life moved from Puxton to Australia, to Gallipoli and was killed 19.7.1916 in the Battle of Fromelles, France. There is a memorial to him in Puxton Church.

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