Eliza Webb published by on Fri, 08/04/2016 - 23:48
I'm trying to find more information on Eliza Webb b. 1808 d. 1886 South Brent (now Brent Knoll) m William Fletcher b.1809-d.1891of Banwell. I am interested in both of their ancestors. I have quite a bit of information on them from GRO and Ancestry.com - census records etc. but can't seem to get back to the previous generations. Would appreciate any pointers.
jEANETTE, I HAVE A Database which have been collecting over the last 23 YEARS. WILLIAM FLETCHER 27 NOV 1808,DEATH 1891, MARRIED 19 JUN 1832. JAMES FLETCHER 25 APR 1788,from Bonwell,D1856,Marr, ANN URCH 1786-1854. JAMES FLETCHER 11 MAR 1759,from Yatton,D1792,Marr RuTH JONES 1763-1841. WILLIAM FLETCHER 1732-1802,from Kingston,marr Mary Hawkins, 1737-1802 WILLIAM FLETCHER 1700-1774,from Stapleford Hertfordshire,Marr Elizabeth JOHN FLETCHER 1682-1740 From St Catherines Parish,Dublin. regards John Poynton
I believe you will find that Ann Urch was baptised in Yatton on the 25 January 1780 to parents William & Sarah Urch nee Surbet. A lot of researchers have taken the Ann Urch from Wedmore daughter of Samuel & Joanna Urch nee Tilley who they believe married James Fletcher. This Ann Urch married a John Bailey in Wedmore on the 25 March 1806.
Hi Allan, I see an Ann Fletcher in the 1841 and 1851 census living in Banwell. In 1841 she is married to James. In both she seems to be born around 1785-1786. Note sure how that would fit with Yatton. In the 1851 census she claims to have been born in Banwell.
I have a One Name Study of my surname Urch which starts in the 1500's and although I don't profess to have all the answers to the marriages of these many duplicated first names, I do try to eliminate all the probables.
There are these Ann(e) Urch's baptised between 1775 and 1790 in my records: -
Ann Urch baptised in St. Augustine, Bristol on the 9 March 1777 daughter of Thomas & Eleanor Urch nee Cornish - she married Thomas Harvey, a widower, in Flax Bourton on the 21 November 1805 (He was one of the owners of the Bristol Harvey Sherry business, which the Urch's were heavily involved with, in fact Thomas Urch the brother of Anne Urch helped to keep them afloat with his money).
Ann Urch baptised in Yatton on the 25 January 1780 daughter of William & Sarah Urch nee Sorbet, I believe she married James Flatcher (Fletcher) in Banwell on the 25 March 1809.
Ann Urch baptised in Mark on the 8 June 1782 daughter of Reuben & Maria Urch nee Fisher. I don't yet know what became of this Ann Urch, but I doubt she was James Flatcher (Fletcher)'s wife.
Nancy Urch (A form of Ann) baptised in Puxton on the 5 January 1783 daughter of Thomas & Elizabeth Urch nee Say married James Sparks in Banwell on the 26 March 1803 (Nancy's name was recorded as Ann on the Marriage record.
Anne Urch baptised in Wedmore on the 8 December 1784 daughter of Samuel & Joanna Urch nee Tily (Tilley) married John Bailey in Wedmore on the 25 March 1806. This Anne Urch baptised in Wedmore who married John Bailey had a daughter, a Mary Bailey who was present at the death of her Uncle Richard Urch's death in 1848. I have his death certificate. This Richard Urch was the brother of Samuel Urch the father of Anne Urch.
Anne Urch baptised in Compton Martin on the 20 June 1790 daughter of Samuel & Sarah Urch nee Bailey. I haven't traced what happened to her yet.
Another anomaly is on the Marriage record of James Flatcher to Ann Urch in the new Freereg website. One of the witness's they have is a John Urch but the transcriber has made a mistake he is John Walsh, I have the Banwell Fiche.
Now to your record of Census's. Sometimes you have to read between the lines with regards to Census's. the details are not always accurate especially ages. when Enumerators came around people sometimes lied about their details.
I found a Census showing an Ann Fletcher a widow born in Yatton and her age fits in with Ann Urch born 1780.She was residing in Bedminster, but everytime I try to find it again, Ancestry's computer keeps me guessing. I found an 1851 Census with a James & Ann Fletcher, James was born in Kingston Seymour.
It seems there are a lot of James Fletchers.
I will have another try to find the Census tomorrow.
I want to apologise for misleading you with regards to supplying you with the wrong Ann Urch.
I have just transcribed Thomas Urch's Will, he was Nancy Urch's father (Ann Urch). He mentions James Flatcher in his Will but I don't believe there was a great liking for him as he was emphatic any monies should go to his daughter and not James, his son in law.
Nancy Urch was baptised in Puxton on the 5 January 1783 but the family were living in Banwell.
If you need any more info just let me know and once again I am sorry for giving you wrong research.
Submitted by Graham Payne on Sun, 10/04/2016 - 12:43
William FLETCHER born abt 1732 from Kingston Seymour was my 5x greatgrandfather. You show James FLETCHER born 1759 as being his son. According to the Banwell baptism records James Fletcher was the base son of Joan FLETCHER baptised 11 March 1759. So far I have not been able to make a connection between Joan Fletcher and my 5x great grandfather.
If you look at our transcriptions of the baptisms at South Brent you will find a baptism of an Eliza WEBB giving a mother's name. Similarly there is baptism of a William FLATCHER in Banwell which gives parents' names. It is wise to consider variants of names as transcriptions are always problematic where the original writing is difficult to decipher. A name spoken with a Somerset accent may have been misinterpreted when written down and so the original document may contain an error.
I did find that birth for Eliza but have been unable to go back beyond her mother "Mary". I am working on the assumption that the mother was a Webb and not married. This is my maternal line and I just signed up for MTDNA, so hope that will unearth a connection. Best, Jeanette
Hi Pat - do the actual records have more than what we see on the transcriptions and if so how would I access these? The one for Eliza Webb is D/P brnt.k 2/1/2
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