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Which site are you looking at for the Parish Records for England and Wales 1813 through 1906?  Are you looking at Parish Records or Family Trees?

I know you have a marriage certificate which gives John SHEEHY as the father of Eugene MORGAN and that at least one census gives Eugene's birth place as Ramsgate in Kent in 1835, as you say, before civil registration started.  If you could tell us exactly where you have seen this new information we could also have a look to see what is there and perhaps advise you better.

Pat

I went through Ancestry Parish records

London, England,Births and Baptisms 1813 1906

Priscilla.

Hello Pat.

I went through ancestry all Baptism &Christening results for Eugene Morgan.

I,m not sure if i went into London,England,Births and Baptisms 1813 1906.

Priscilla.

I'm not sure how this will help you but I have found a newspaper account in the Reading Mercury 1st Jan 1881 of an Eugene Morgan O'Sheehy being had up in front of the Magistrates for begging on Christmas Day! Is this him again?  Have you got the death certificate for John Morgan SHEEHY in 1869 - were there any clues on that? 

You must take full marks for perseverence!

Can anyone help Priscilla? - she has been trying all avenues to find first of all the birth of her grandfather - he was Arthur Patrick MORGAN  - On the 1911 census he is to be found lodging at the Volunteer Inn in Worthing in Sussex giving his birth place as Notting Hill, London in about 1881. He is with his wife Caroline and baby daughter Margaret - her age in not known on the census but her birth was registered in Alverstoke in Hampshire in 1909 under both the surname MORGAN as well as PRESTON her mother's maiden name. Her parents were married in 1910 in Croydon, when he gave his father's name as Eugene MORGAN.

Arthur and Caroline eventually had 9 children mostly in Southampton or the Isle of Wight - that is not the question.  Priscilla needs to find Arthur's and his father's births.  Eugene MORGAN gives his birthplace as Ramsgate, Kent in about 1835 or thereabouts - and when he married he gave his father's name as John SHEEHY! - we've been going around in circles - any new suggestions for research would be gratefully received.

Hello Priscilla, 

Have you got an Arthur MORGAN born c1845?  He also gives his place of birth as Ramsgate.  In 1891 he and wife Elizabeth are in London.  They have a son Eugene born c1881 in Canterbury, Kent.  There is also an Arthur MORGAN born Ramsgate c1845 in Sussex in 1871 who is a soldier.  

In 1861 Arthur is with his parents in Ramsgate.  Their names are Eliza (born c1810 Croydon, Surrey) and John MORGAN born c1799 in Ireland.  John is a Mariner.

Most interestingly though, I think I have found Arthur and his family lodging in Bungay, Suffolk in 1881.  As they are lodgers it doesn't give their relationships to each other but Arthur and Elizabeth are both born Ramsgate and married.  They have children with them including a 4 month old Eugene born in Canterbury and their surname is SHEEHY.  Arthur M. SHEEHY's occupation is given as "Traveller".

Hello Debbie,

Thank you so much for you help,but no that is not the same Arthur Morgan.

I have Arthurs Marriege certificate and he married Croydon in 1910 and his wifes name

is Caroline.on all the census returns he says he was born in Nottinghill. Caroline was born in Croydon.

I cannot find a record of his birth or baptism. Eugene Morgan was his father but they were also known as Eugene Sheehy Morgan.I hav e Eugenes Marriege cert; but cannot find him in the parish records,and he was the one born in Ramsgate.and Eugnes father was a John Sheehy.

Hello Pat,

Thank you for your reply,yes it does look likely that is Eugene that you found in the Reading Mercury.

Now i have got a marriege cert; for Eugene Sheehy and Maria Donovon 27th. April 1867.

I have also the death cert; for John Morgan Sheehy.he died at75 Cross street Ramsgate 1st. March 1869. Informant of death  present at death Eugene Sheehy.

I have been wondering where this Morgan Sheehy has come from,are ready, I found in the Irish History records Church Baptisms Date of Baptism  29th.July 1817 Co. Limmerick RC Father Morgan Sheehy Mother Catherine Toomey.

But still no parish record for Eugene as think this one i found,i don,t think it is the same person.!

Looking at the Arthur MORGAN found by Debbie - who was born in about 1843/6 in Ramsgate- I think he might be a younger brother of your Eugene MORGAN. Try building a family tree including the information Debbie found and it does seem to tie in with the bits you altready have.  Both your Eugene and this Arthur have a father called John born about the same time and likely to be the John Morgan SHEEHY for whom you have the death certificate - it would not be surprising for your grandfather to be named after his Uncle.

Thank you Pat.  That was what I was thinking but I posted what I'd found in a hurry with not enough explanation - sorry for any confusion caused Priscilla.  

If stuck with my own tree I tend to start looking sideways and it's amazing what clues you can find sometimes.  

If Arthur and Eugene were brothers then they both named sons after each other from the look of it.  

Hello Pat,

Thank you for that i will follow that up.

where did Debbie find these on the census?

I think the parish records i found for Eugene are not the right ones as says

John father is a JP incourt house Limmerick.!