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Whites of Hutton
published by on Mon, 12/05/2014 - 18:20

My second great grandfather was, I believe, Reuben White (c. 1799 - 1878). I think he was the brother of Samuel White (1797 - 1852). Reuben was baptised and buried at St Mary's Church, Hutton. Reuben's son, Charles, my great grandfather, was baptised at St Mary's also, in April 1834; and married Eliza North there in February 1857. Charles subsequently lived in Wales and London - but I have no death or burial record for him. My grandfather, George White, was born in St John's Wood, London in 1874 and died in Grays, Essex, in 1962. He was married to Caroline Elizabeth White (nee Mead) in Cardiff, in 1903. My father, Ernest Clifford White, was born in Southampton, one of five brothers, in 1912, but grew up at a house in London Road, Grays, with his parents, George and Caroline. Both Charles and George were carpenters. Reuben was an agricultural labourer and his brother Samuel is listed as a 'Mason' in the 1851 census for Hutton.

With a name like White and given all of that travelling done by George and Charles, it took me ages to find the connection to Hutton - I would never have got so far with this if it hadn't been for this site!

I am just wondering if anyone has any additional information on this branch of the White family. Reuben's brother's (Samuel's) line leads mainly to Weston-Super-Mare, where it appears I have a lot of White relatives to this day!

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Submitted by Pat Hase on Tue, 20/05/2014 - 1:55

A couple of years ago I looked at some of the Hutton families including the WHITE family. It certainly looks as if Reuben was the younger brother of Samuel and one of at least 6 children who were born to a James and Anstance WHITE between 1789 and 1804. James & Anstance (this name is subject to many variations) were still alive in 1851 and appear on the 1851 census both giving birthplace of Hutton but although I can find a James WHITE I can't locate a christening for any girl with a first name similar to Anstance born in Hutton.

But I have found a marriage in Locking on the 24th Aug 1786 of a James WHITE and an Anty PIM which looks promising.

A Reuben PIM married an Anstance KITCHING 18 June 1765 in Locking and these could be her parents - especially with the name Reuben as her father. Unfortunately, the transcriptions we have of the baptisms in Locking do not start until 1777 and according to her age given when she died Anstance PIM must have been born about 1767..

I would be interested to hear whether this matches your research.

Submitted by on Mon, 26/05/2014 - 17:37

Thank you very much, Pat!

In particular, I had not found the Locking marriage of James and 'Anty' PIM! Also, yes, surely, with both a Reuben and an 'Anstance' as parents, it seems very likely that Reuben PIM and Anstance KITCHING were my fourth great grandparents on the female side. So that is all new for me and thank you once again.

I have Reuben WHITE (my third great grandfather) and Samuel WHITE as two of nine children born to James and Anstance WHITE - one of whom was also called 'Anstance' and died as an infant in 1795. The father of that James was, I believe, the James WHITE (my fourth great grandfather on the WHITE side) who married Eleanor QUIRE at St Mary's, Hutton, on 6th Feb 1762. Reuben WHITE (my third great grandfather) appears to have married â€˜Annâ€™, who was born in Bristol St Paulâ€™s in about 1805 â€“ I have so far been unable to find her surname or any marriage record.

Submitted by Pat Hase on Mon, 26/05/2014 - 21:54

I'm glad that we were able to help. You mentioned that James & Anstance had 9 children - did they include a James who is being asked about on the Research Forum - perhaps you can help there!

I believe that Reuben WHITE married Ann HORWOOD at St Mary Redcliffe in Bristol on the17th April 1827. This is from the CD of marriage transcriptions obtainable from the Bristol & Avon FHS and it can also be consulted in Weston Library.

Submitted by on Tue, 27/05/2014 - 6:39

Reuben Pim(s) has a second wife by 1769, but I have been unable to find a death for his first wife Anstance.

Worle Parish Records - Marriage
Year 1769
Date of Marriage: Aug 22
Ruben Pims widower of Banwell and Mary Quick spinster of Worle.

Submitted by on Sat, 24/05/2014 - 1:14

I note on the 1891 Census an Eliza White (Widow) was residing in Netherpool (Wirral), Cheshire, at the Manchester Ship Canal Works, with three sons Edward, Arthur and George (b. St John's Wood, London); all Carpenters.

Thus this find:

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915
Name: Charles White
Birth Year: abt 1834
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1890
Age at Death: 56
Registration district: Wirral
County: Cheshire
Volume: 8a Page: 325

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966
Name: Charles White
Probate Date: 2 Dec 1890
Death Date: 6 Oct 1890
Death Place: Cheshire, England
Registry: Cheshire, England

WHITE Charles
Personal Estate: £132 16s.
2 December Administration of the Personal Estate of Charles White late of the Old Offices Ellesmere Port in the County of Chester Carpenter who died 6 October 1890 at the Ship Canal Hospital Ellesmere Port was granted at Chester to Eliza White of the Old Offices Widow the Relict

THE CHESHIRE OBSERVER,
SATURDAY, OCTOBER 11 1890
Pg 8
ELLESMERE PORT
FOUR FATALITIES IN A WEEK - On Monday afternoon a serious accident happened in Ellesmere Port Bay. It appears that the traffic carried on between the Ince and Eastham sections had been suspended during tide time, and to renew it a swing bridge connects the railway across the gantry, with the metals on the Eastham section. A huge crane is used to support the bridge over the opening. About one-third of the space had been traversed when a loud crash was heard. The bridge fell into the water, and the jib of the crane smashed and fell on a foreman carpenter named Charles White. The sub-agent (Mr Bushell) was on the spot at the time, and had the injured man removed to the hospital, where he died shortly after admittance. On Wednesday, at the Grosvenor Hotel, an inquest was held before Mr H Churton, county coroner, and a verdict of "Accidental death" returned. It transpired at the inquest that the bolt, which was calculated to lift 15 tons, broke at a strain of 7 tons, and no flaw was visible in the metal.-Another sad fatality, the fourth within a week at the port, occurred on Thursday ..........

Submitted by on Mon, 26/05/2014 - 17:53

Thank you very much, Joy!

I knew that Charles WHITE (my Great Grandfather) had died before 1891 as I had the census record for 1891 showing his wife, Eliza WHITE (nee NORTH) as a widow.

But I am amazed by your discovery of the sad fate of Charles WHITE in that accident at Ellesmere Port Bay. It is most definitely him, as I have records of him working as a 'foreman of carpenters' on the London and North Western Railway in 1874 - and, of course, it all ties in with the life and records of George WHITE, my Grandfather. I had not realised that Charles was still working in the Chester/Wirral area as late as 1890 and thought he might have been away from home, working in London - so without your help, I doubt I would have found any of that information, so thank you once again. If I might ask, how did you find that press report/newspaper 'cutting'?

Submitted by on Tue, 27/05/2014 - 6:26

Source of Newspaper: I accessed it at Findmypast.uk

Submitted by on Sun, 25/05/2014 - 9:16

http://www.freereg.org.uk/ source of following baptism for Reuben PIM.

County: Somerset
Place: Banwell
Church: St Andrew
Baptism Date: 15 May 1744
Reuben
Sex: M
Parents: William and Frances Pim