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Marshall Family
published by on Sun, 26/01/2014 - 13:19

I am looking for the maiden name and genealogy of Sarah Marshall, wife of John Marshall who are both mentioned in the 1841 census as living at Winterstoke:

Surname First Name Age Occupation Where born
Marshall John 30 Agricultural Labourer Somerset
Marshall Sarah 35 Somerset
Marshall Sarah 7 Somerset
Marshall Eliza 4 Somerset
Marshall Joseph 2 Somerset
Marshall George 2 months Somerset

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Comments ..

Submitted by on Mon, 27/01/2014 - 12:31

I've had an initial look for you. Firstly, they appear to be living in the village of Worle which is a small part of the Hundred of Winterstoke. This seems to be confirmed by an entry in the 1851 census where the following entry appears:-

Name                      Age Where born
MARSHALL John      38 Winscombe
MARSHALL Sarah   38 Worle
MARSHALL Sarah   18 Worle
MARSHALL Eliza     15 Worle
MARSHALL Joseph 12 Worle
MARSHALL George 10 Worle
MARSHALL Ellen      8 Worle
MARSHALL John       2 Worle
MARSHALL William 1 Worle

As you can see, the ages of the adults don't match up, but that's not uncommon! Apart from that, I think this refers to your family.

Sarah, Eliza, Joseph and Ellen are listed in the baptism records for St. Martin's Church, Worle.

I've tried to find records of the baptisms of either parent and their marriage, so far without success. The only Sarah I've found whose baptism is somewhere near the birth date which can be inferred from the 1841 census, 1806, is Sarah FRY baptised in Worle on 19 October 1806. There is no record of her being married in the church at Worle.

So, in general, I've not found much to help you, I'm afraid. I'll keep looking though and we can only hope that someone else has more luck than I have so far.

Submitted by on Tue, 28/01/2014 - 14:08

Thank you Nic!
It would be interesting to know what month the census was taken. When the family arrived Geelong on 14th Sept 1851, some had had a birthday. The arrivals register reads:

Marshall John 39
Marshall Sarah 39
Marshall Ann 20
Marshall Sarah 18
Marshall Eliza 15
Marshall Joseph 12
Marshall George 10
Marshall Ellen 8
Marshall John 3
Marshall William 2

I have checked the deaths in Victoria 1851 to 1900 for Sarah Marshall and none give a maiden name of Fry. I will check the registers for South Australia, New South Wales and Queensland.

Submitted by Paul Tracey on Tue, 28/01/2014 - 14:33

The 1851 Census was taken on the 30th March 1851.

Dates for census returns can be found on the National Archives website.

Submitted by on Wed, 29/01/2014 - 12:21

According to Sarahâ€™s age in the 1841 census, she would have been born in 1806. However based on the difference in ages given on the 1851 census and the arrivals in Victoria she was born between April and September 1812.

Submitted by Pat Hase on Wed, 29/01/2014 - 21:34

One way of finding the mother's maiden name would be to purchase a birth certificate for George MARSHALL who was just 2 months on the 1841 census (taken in June 1841)

Births Jun 1841
MARSHALL George Axbridge 10 285

Any of the children born after 1837 would serve just as well. See the official Certificate Ordering Service for more details and how to order online.

A shot in the dark - There is a marriage in Bristol on the 24th June 1833 at St Michael's Church Bristol of a John MARSHALL and a Sarah BENNETT. - From the CD of marriages available from Bristol & Avon FHS. See here for more details of what can be obtained from that Society. Many marriages of couples from north Somerset.took place in Bristol .

Submitted by on Fri, 31/01/2014 - 2:52

Australia Death Index, 1787-1985

Name: Helene Brayshaw (Could this be Ellen Marshall b. Worle abt. 1843 )

Death Date: 26 Dec 1908

Death Place: Queensland

Father's Name: John Marshall

Mother's Name: Sarah Bennett

Registration Year: 1908

Registration Place: Queensland Registration

Number: 004078 Page Number: 2667

Submitted by on Sat, 01/02/2014 - 3:19

Australia Death Index, 1787-1985
Name: Sarah Marshall
Death Place: Victoria
Age: 59
Father's Name: Bennett John
Mother's Name: Sarah
Registration Year: 1865
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration Number: 3306
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1806

The Darling Downs Gazette and General Advertiser, Toowoomba, Qld.
Wednesday 19 April 1865 Pg 2
DIED
April 11th, at Brunswick, Victoria, Mrs. J. Marshal, the beloved mother of Mrs. James Watts, Toowoomba.

Australia Marriage Index, 1788-1950
Name: James Watts
Spouse Name: Eliza Marshall
Marriage Place: Victoria
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration Year: 1852
Registration Number: 3689

Australia Death Index, 1787-1985
Name: Eliza Watts
Death Date: 4 Apr 1915
Death Place: Queensland
Father's Name: Marshall
Mother's Name: Sarah
Registration Place: Queensland
Registration Number: 002092
Page Number: 2096

Submitted by on Sun, 02/02/2014 - 14:50

Thank you all so much! Yes this is it.
I had the list of Sarah Marshalls who died in Victoria but couldn't work out which one it was. The death notice in the Darling Downs Gazette nails it down and would have been placed by Eliza, my 2g grandmother. I think she was known as Elie so many people thought her name was Ellen. Perhaps this explains why her sister Ellen became Helene.
My 2nd cousin asked me to research this as he is doing his X genome history - following his maternal genetic history. Coincidentally his mother's maiden name is Bennett.
Can we go back any further?
Do you have any records that might unearth Sarah Bennett's maiden name and genealogy?

Submitted by on Tue, 04/02/2014 - 6:37

The Melbourne General Cemetery, Victoria

Wesleyan section compartment A Grave 72a

Marshall, Sara aged 59 buried 12.04.1865

Marshall, Elizabeth aged 62 buried 13.03.1899

Marshall, Albert E aged 35 buried 02.06.1903

(Parents of Sarah Marshall are John Bennett & Sarah; see above)

Elizabeth Marshall who died in 1899 is the mother of

Australia Birth Index, 1788-1922
Name: Albert Edgar James Marshall
Father's Name: George Marshall
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Pearce
Birth Place: Brunswick, Victoria
Registration Year: 1866
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration Number: 19927

Australia Death Index, 1787-1985
Name: Albt Edgar Jas Marshall
Death Place: East Melbourne, Victoria
Age: 36
Father's Name: Geo Marshall
Mother's Name: Elizth Pierce
Registration Year: 1903
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration Number: 6624
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867

Other siblings of Albert are

Australia Birth Index, 1788-1922
Name: Ernest August Marshall
Father's Name: George Marshall
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Pearce
Birth Place: Brunswick, Victoria
Registration Year: 1864
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration Number: 20277

Name: Herbert Roland Joseph Marshall
Birth Date: 30 Sep 1870
Father's Name: George Marshall
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Pearce
Birth Place: Queensland
Registration Year: 1870
Registration Place: Queensland
Page Number: 9265
Registration Number: 002157

Submitted by on Wed, 05/02/2014 - 0:51

Hi Joy, Im Jazz of Melbourne Australia. Im looking forward to visiting Bristol in April in search of my husbands BURGE family of Yatton. I just noticed your post and thought Id ask if you have photos of the graves at Melb Gen Cem of your family. I live about 1/2 an hour from it and would be happy to take photos for you. Also do you know of the Victorian BDM certs and how they work. For a small search fee and 20 AU$ per cert you can have the full cert emailed. This usually gives all the info that we don't quite get from the transcriptions. IE cause of death and maiden names etc. Also I have a copy of the cemetery map if you would like one for your files. MGC is a massive cemetery. Just to confirm, it is the Sarah Marshall that died in 1865 that you are looking for the maiden for? Ive just tried to get the cert (couldn't help my self) but the system is down. Sometimes the certs give an address too, so who knows you may even find a house they once lived in. Also, I grew up knowing a John Marshall (one of dads friends) I wonder if he is related to your family, after all, it is a small world!

Submitted by on Thu, 06/02/2014 - 2:34

Jasmin,

I have no connection to the Marshall family, but was forwarding some leads, as help to the original submitter of this query. I am aware you can access/download Vic. BMD's. I live in a suburb of Melbourne too.